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* Frederick Barthelme: "So there we were in the Red Krayola [...] a name that had come to us while trailing down Main Street in my roofless [...] blue Fiat, shooting 16mm film for a movie we were making at the time (because, before we were a band we were filmmakers, you see). I do not remember what the movie was called; I do not know what became of the evidence. It had burned film, hand-tinted frames, stop-action stuff, cartoons, action scenes, recreations of Godard and Truffaut and much more. It was an amalgam. We had seen Cleo from 5 to 7 and dozens of other fine films, and we were 16mm. There was talk of an Eclair, the camera, not the pastry."<ref>https://www.frederickbarthelme.com/nonfiction/the-red-crayola/</ref> | * Frederick Barthelme: "So there we were in the Red Krayola [...] a name that had come to us while trailing down Main Street in my roofless [...] blue Fiat, shooting 16mm film for a movie we were making at the time (because, before we were a band we were filmmakers, you see). I do not remember what the movie was called; I do not know what became of the evidence. It had burned film, hand-tinted frames, stop-action stuff, cartoons, action scenes, recreations of Godard and Truffaut and much more. It was an amalgam. We had seen Cleo from 5 to 7 and dozens of other fine films, and we were 16mm. There was talk of an Eclair, the camera, not the pastry."<ref>https://www.frederickbarthelme.com/nonfiction/the-red-crayola/</ref> | ||
* Mayo Thompson: "I had been making movies when I met [Barthelme], I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming. But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."<ref>Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)</ref> | * Mayo Thompson: "I had been making movies when I met [Barthelme], I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming. But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."<ref>Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)</ref> | ||
Status: Lost, unfinished | |||
=== Dairymaid's Lament single === | === Dairymaid's Lament single === | ||
Main article: {{RLink|Dairymaid}} | |||
* Recorded February 1967(?) for [[International Artists]] (White Rose says 1966) with unknown instrumental B-side | * Recorded February 1967(?) for [[International Artists]] (White Rose says 1966) with unknown instrumental B-side | ||
Status: Unreleased, unknown if lost | |||
=== Coconut Hotel === | === Coconut Hotel === | ||
Main article: | Main article: {{RLink|Coconut}} | ||
* Recorded in 1967 for [[International Artists]] | * Recorded in 1967 for [[International Artists]] | ||
* At some point was going to be half of [[God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It]] (source: Mother magazine interview) | * At some point was going to be half of [[God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It]] (source: Mother magazine interview) | ||
Status: Released in 1995 by [[Drag City]] | |||
=== Album with John Fahey === | === Album with John Fahey === | ||
Main article: [[Lost album with John Fahey]] | Main article: [[Lost album with John Fahey]] | ||
* Recorded in 1967 | * Recorded in 1967 | ||
Status: Lost | |||
=== Mother's Milk === | === Mother's Milk === | ||
* Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson<ref>God Bless 2011 booklet</ref> for [[International Artists]]. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs | * Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson<ref>God Bless 2011 booklet</ref> for [[International Artists]]. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs | ||
Status: Unreleased, likely lost | |||
=== Opera for Five === | === Opera for Five === | ||
Main article: [[Opera for Five]] | Main article: [[Opera for Five]] | ||
* Unproduced opera by [[Manos Hadjidakis]]. | * Unproduced opera by [[Manos Hadjidakis]]. He intended for the Red Krayola to be the backing band whilst Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane sang lead vocals | ||
Status: Unrecorded | Status: Unrecorded | ||
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=== Mayo Thompson single === | === Mayo Thompson single === | ||
Status: Instrumental B-side [[Woof]] released by [[Drag City]] | |||
=== The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album === | === The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album === | ||
Main article: [[The Rockin' Blue Diamonds]] | Main article: [[The Rockin' Blue Diamonds]] | ||
* Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972 | * Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972 | ||
Status: Unreleased demo, unknown if lost | |||
=== Album with Manos Hadjidakis === | === Album with Manos Hadjidakis === | ||
* Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973 | * Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973 | ||
Status: Unrecorded | |||
=== Mostly About Rauschenberg === | === Mostly About Rauschenberg === | ||
Main article: | Main article: {{RLink|Mostly}} | ||
* Documentary filmed ~1973 co-directed by [[Christine Kozlov]] and [[Mayo Thompson]] | * Documentary filmed ~1973 co-directed by [[Christine Kozlov]] and [[Mayo Thompson]] | ||
Status: Screened but unreleased, clip released | |||
== 1980s == | == 1980s == | ||
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=== Music video === | === Music video === | ||
* "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing ''Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock'' in the exhibition ''Art in Europe since 1968'' [Kunst in Europa na 68]."<ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref> | * "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing ''Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock'' in the exhibition ''Art in Europe since 1968'' [Kunst in Europa na 68]."<ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref> | ||
Status: it's real | |||
=== Ratman / Future Pilots === | === Ratman / Future Pilots === | ||
* Status: released but not as a single | |||
* Status: | |||
=== Retrospective release === | === Retrospective release === | ||
* "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." <ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref> | * "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." <ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref> | ||
Status: Unreleased | |||
=== Victorine === | === Victorine === | ||
Main article: [[Victorine]] | Main article: [[Victorine]] | ||
* | * Was going to be videotaped live on German television | ||
Status: Unrecorded | |||
=== Ludwig's Law === | === Ludwig's Law === | ||
Main article: [[Ludwig's Law]] | Main article: [[Ludwig's Law]] | ||
* Recorded 1984 | * Recorded 1984 | ||
Status: Released in 1998 | |||
=== Baby and Child Care === | === Baby and Child Care === | ||
Main article: [[Baby and Child Care]] | Main article: [[Baby and Child Care]] | ||
* Recorded in 1984 | * Recorded in 1984 | ||
Status: Released in 2016 by [[Drag City]] | |||
=== Disco Death === | === Disco Death === | ||
* 1986 recording session | * 1986 recording session | ||
Status: Released in part in 1989 as [[Malefactor, Ade]] | |||
== 1990s == | == 1990s == | ||
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Main article: [[All Together Now]] | Main article: [[All Together Now]] | ||
* "Michael Schirner and Wolf. D. Rogosky developed a concept for the development of Berlin into an Olympic city and European metropolis. They outlined visions and projects for a new Berlin as the capital of media, business, art, culture, scene, film, sports, youth, etc. Mayo Thompson, musician and artist of the Art & Language group, composed the Olympic anthem “All together now” with lyrics by Diedrich Diederichsen."<ref>http://www.michaelschirner.de/de/nolympia/</ref> | * "Michael Schirner and Wolf. D. Rogosky developed a concept for the development of Berlin into an Olympic city and European metropolis. They outlined visions and projects for a new Berlin as the capital of media, business, art, culture, scene, film, sports, youth, etc. Mayo Thompson, musician and artist of the Art & Language group, composed the Olympic anthem “All together now” with lyrics by Diedrich Diederichsen."<ref>http://www.michaelschirner.de/de/nolympia/</ref> | ||
Status: Unknown, likely unrecorded | |||
=== 1993 demo tape === | |||
* Demo tape that [[David Grubbs]] shared with [[Drag City]] that resulted in the band being signed | |||
* Six songs? | |||
Status: Unreleased | |||
=== The Letter / Psychology === | === The Letter / Psychology === | ||
* 7" listed in this 1995 discography: http://www.le-musterkoffer.de/alpha/thompson06.html | * 7" listed in this 1995 discography: http://www.le-musterkoffer.de/alpha/thompson06.html | ||
Status: Likely expanded into [[Amor and Language]] | |||
=== The Red Krayola T-Shirt === | === The Red Krayola T-Shirt === | ||
* Mentioned on the label for [[Chemistry / Farewell to Arms]]: "DC22 The Red Krayola T-Shirt (1995)" | * Mentioned on the label for [[Chemistry / Farewell to Arms]]: "DC22 The Red Krayola T-Shirt (1995)" | ||
Status: Unknown | |||
== 2000s == | == 2000s == | ||
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Main article: [[Shotgun Wedding]] | Main article: [[Shotgun Wedding]] | ||
* Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose) | * Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose) | ||
Status: Released in part in 2009 as Shotgun Wedding | |||
=== The Red Krayola Documentary === | === The Red Krayola Documentary === | ||
Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary) | Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary) | ||
* Status: Unfinished, clip released | * Documentary | ||
Status: Unfinished, clip released | |||
=== That Dogma Won't Hunt === | |||
* "We’re working on a song called That Dogma Won’t Hunt, a reply to Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper, the other day, came across and he said that all these anti-Bush bands were treasonous morons. And I mean, the moron part, that’s debatable, he said they were not traitors to the country but traitors to Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll has nothing to do with politics. School’s Out has nothing to do with politics? I mean he’s biting his own ass when he says that, I think. So anyway, when somebody tells me that Rock and Roll is this, that or the other thing, I say, that dogma won’t hunt, you know what I mean? It just won’t. So that’s the kind of thing it is. I think singles are a really good thing, because you can get into a dialogue with things like- Yik Yak, which was aimed at Patti Smith and Judas Priest. I mean he’s like, Ya’ll think that Rock and Roll is the art form of the present. Well, that’s nice."<ref>https://fnewsmagazine.com/2005/04/dead-letters-to-lost-worlds/</ref> | |||
* Status: unreleased | |||
=== Victorine === | === Victorine === | ||
* Was worked on around same time as [[Sighs Trapped By Liars]] | * Was worked on around same time as [[Sighs Trapped By Liars]] | ||
Status: Unreleased, unknown if recorded | |||
== 2010s == | == 2010s == | ||
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Main article: [[Born in Flames II / Sword of God II]] | Main article: [[Born in Flames II / Sword of God II]] | ||
* Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled | * Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled | ||
Status: Unrecorded | |||
== References == | == References == | ||
Latest revision as of 08:33, 3 March 2023
1960s
Film with Barthelme
- Likely 1966
- Frederick Barthelme: "So there we were in the Red Krayola [...] a name that had come to us while trailing down Main Street in my roofless [...] blue Fiat, shooting 16mm film for a movie we were making at the time (because, before we were a band we were filmmakers, you see). I do not remember what the movie was called; I do not know what became of the evidence. It had burned film, hand-tinted frames, stop-action stuff, cartoons, action scenes, recreations of Godard and Truffaut and much more. It was an amalgam. We had seen Cleo from 5 to 7 and dozens of other fine films, and we were 16mm. There was talk of an Eclair, the camera, not the pastry."[1]
- Mayo Thompson: "I had been making movies when I met [Barthelme], I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming. But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."[2]
Status: Lost, unfinished
Dairymaid's Lament single
Main article: 
Dairymaid's Lament
- Recorded February 1967(?) for International Artists (White Rose says 1966) with unknown instrumental B-side
Status: Unreleased, unknown if lost
Coconut Hotel
Main article: 
Coconut Hotel
- Recorded in 1967 for International Artists
- At some point was going to be half of God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (source: Mother magazine interview)
Status: Released in 1995 by Drag City
Album with John Fahey
Main article: Lost album with John Fahey
- Recorded in 1967
Status: Lost
Mother's Milk
- Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson[3] for International Artists. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs
Status: Unreleased, likely lost
Opera for Five
Main article: Opera for Five
- Unproduced opera by Manos Hadjidakis. He intended for the Red Krayola to be the backing band whilst Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane sang lead vocals
Status: Unrecorded
1970s
Mayo Thompson single
Status: Instrumental B-side Woof released by Drag City
The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album
Main article: The Rockin' Blue Diamonds
- Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972
Status: Unreleased demo, unknown if lost
Album with Manos Hadjidakis
- Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973
Status: Unrecorded
Mostly About Rauschenberg
Main article: 
Mostly About Rauschenberg
- Documentary filmed ~1973 co-directed by Christine Kozlov and Mayo Thompson
Status: Screened but unreleased, clip released
1980s
Music video
- "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock in the exhibition Art in Europe since 1968 [Kunst in Europa na 68]."[4]
Status: it's real
Ratman / Future Pilots
- Status: released but not as a single
Retrospective release
- "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." [5]
Status: Unreleased
Victorine
Main article: Victorine
- Was going to be videotaped live on German television
Status: Unrecorded
Ludwig's Law
Main article: Ludwig's Law
- Recorded 1984
Status: Released in 1998
Baby and Child Care
Main article: Baby and Child Care
- Recorded in 1984
Status: Released in 2016 by Drag City
Disco Death
- 1986 recording session
Status: Released in part in 1989 as Malefactor, Ade
1990s
Berlin 2000 Olympic anthem
Main article: All Together Now
- "Michael Schirner and Wolf. D. Rogosky developed a concept for the development of Berlin into an Olympic city and European metropolis. They outlined visions and projects for a new Berlin as the capital of media, business, art, culture, scene, film, sports, youth, etc. Mayo Thompson, musician and artist of the Art & Language group, composed the Olympic anthem “All together now” with lyrics by Diedrich Diederichsen."[6]
Status: Unknown, likely unrecorded
1993 demo tape
- Demo tape that David Grubbs shared with Drag City that resulted in the band being signed
- Six songs?
Status: Unreleased
The Letter / Psychology
- 7" listed in this 1995 discography: http://www.le-musterkoffer.de/alpha/thompson06.html
Status: Likely expanded into Amor and Language
The Red Krayola T-Shirt
- Mentioned on the label for Chemistry / Farewell to Arms: "DC22 The Red Krayola T-Shirt (1995)"
Status: Unknown
2000s
Shotgun Wedding
Main article: Shotgun Wedding
- Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose)
Status: Released in part in 2009 as Shotgun Wedding
The Red Krayola Documentary
Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary)
- Documentary
Status: Unfinished, clip released
That Dogma Won't Hunt
- "We’re working on a song called That Dogma Won’t Hunt, a reply to Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper, the other day, came across and he said that all these anti-Bush bands were treasonous morons. And I mean, the moron part, that’s debatable, he said they were not traitors to the country but traitors to Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll has nothing to do with politics. School’s Out has nothing to do with politics? I mean he’s biting his own ass when he says that, I think. So anyway, when somebody tells me that Rock and Roll is this, that or the other thing, I say, that dogma won’t hunt, you know what I mean? It just won’t. So that’s the kind of thing it is. I think singles are a really good thing, because you can get into a dialogue with things like- Yik Yak, which was aimed at Patti Smith and Judas Priest. I mean he’s like, Ya’ll think that Rock and Roll is the art form of the present. Well, that’s nice."[7]
- Status: unreleased
Victorine
- Was worked on around same time as Sighs Trapped By Liars
Status: Unreleased, unknown if recorded
2010s
Cooking in The Kitchen
- 50th anniversary concert planned for Nov 2016[8]
- November 4 at 8pm the group perform the New York premiere of a new arrangement of Corrected Slogans (1976), their first collaboration with Art & Language.
- November 5 at 8pm the band present a NYC jamboree (Cooking in The Kitchen), a survey of 50 years of their music with the Familiar Ugly.
Born in Flames II / Sword of God II
Main article: Born in Flames II / Sword of God II
- Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled
Status: Unrecorded
References
- ↑ https://www.frederickbarthelme.com/nonfiction/the-red-crayola/
- ↑ Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)
- ↑ God Bless 2011 booklet
- ↑ Kangaroo? booklet, Keep All Your Friends (zine)
- ↑ Kangaroo? booklet, Keep All Your Friends (zine)
- ↑ http://www.michaelschirner.de/de/nolympia/
- ↑ https://fnewsmagazine.com/2005/04/dead-letters-to-lost-worlds/
- ↑ https://thekitchen.org/event/the-red-krayola