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=== Film with Barthelme ===
=== Film with Barthelme ===
* 1966?
* Likely 1966
* "I came to Barthelme and we had been fishing around. I had been making movies when I met him, I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming."
* Frederick Barthelme: "So there we were in the Red Krayola [...] a name that had come to us while trailing down Main Street in my roofless [...] blue Fiat, shooting 16mm film for a movie we were making at the time (because, before we were a band we were filmmakers, you see). I do not remember what the movie was called; I do not know what became of the evidence. It had burned film, hand-tinted frames, stop-action stuff, cartoons, action scenes, recreations of Godard and Truffaut and much more. It was an amalgam. We had seen Cleo from 5 to 7 and dozens of other fine films, and we were 16mm. There was talk of an Eclair, the camera, not the pastry."<ref>https://www.frederickbarthelme.com/nonfiction/the-red-crayola/</ref>
* "But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."<ref>Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)</ref>
* Mayo Thompson: "I had been making movies when I met [Barthelme], I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming. But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."<ref>Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)</ref>
Status: Lost, unfinished


=== Dairymaid's Lament single ===
=== Dairymaid's Lament single ===
* Recorded February 1967(?) for [[International Artists]] (White Rose says 1966) with unknown B-side
Main article: {{RLink|Dairymaid}}
* Status: Unreleased, unknown if lost
* Recorded February 1967(?) for [[International Artists]] (White Rose says 1966) with unknown instrumental B-side
Status: Unreleased, unknown if lost


=== Coconut Hotel ===
=== Coconut Hotel ===
Main article: [[Coconut Hotel]]
Main article: {{RLink|Coconut}}
* Recorded in 1967 for [[International Artists]]
* Recorded in 1967 for [[International Artists]]
* At some point was going to be half of [[God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It]] (source: Mother magazine interview)
* At some point was going to be half of [[God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It]] (source: Mother magazine interview)
* Status: Released in 1995 by [[Drag City]]
Status: Released in 1995 by [[Drag City]]


=== Album with John Fahey ===
=== Album with John Fahey ===
Main article: [[Lost album with John Fahey]]
Main article: [[Lost album with John Fahey]]
* Recorded in 1967
* Recorded in 1967
* Status: Lost
Status: Lost


=== Mother's Milk ===
=== Mother's Milk ===
* Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson<ref>God Bless 2011 booklet</ref> for [[International Artists]]. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs
* Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson<ref>God Bless 2011 booklet</ref> for [[International Artists]]. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs
* Status: Unreleased, likely lost
Status: Unreleased, likely lost


=== Opera with Manos Hadjidakis ===
=== Opera for Five ===
* "Following the release of God Bless in May 68, the Greek composer and songwriter Manos Hadjidakis [...] invited Mayo and Steve to New York for discussions about a possible project. Hadjidakis had played God Bless... to his associate the violinist Isaac Stern, who was also known for nurturing new talent"<ref>God Bless 2011 booklet</ref>
Main article: [[Opera for Five]]
* "What the pair envisioned was a rock opera featuring Grace Slick in the lead role with the Red Krayola as the backing band. Why they figured Slick would consider leaving a successful career with the Jefferson Airplane for mainstream entertainment is a mystery. After the bizarre red herring there were few fresh opportunities for the duo and so they decided to go their separate ways."
* Unproduced opera by [[Manos Hadjidakis]]. He intended for the Red Krayola to be the backing band whilst Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane sang lead vocals
* Status: Unrecorded
Status: Unrecorded


== 1970s ==
== 1970s ==


=== Mayo Thompson single ===
=== Mayo Thompson single ===
* Status: Instrumental B-side [[Woof]] released by [[Drag City]]
Status: Instrumental B-side [[Woof]] released by [[Drag City]]


=== The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album ===
=== The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album ===
Main article: [[The Rockin' Blue Diamonds]]
Main article: [[The Rockin' Blue Diamonds]]
* Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972
* Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972
* Status: Unreleased demo, unknown if lost
Status: Unreleased demo, unknown if lost


=== Album with Manos Hadjidakis ===
=== Album with Manos Hadjidakis ===
* Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973
* Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973
* Status: Unrecorded
Status: Unrecorded


=== Mostly About Rauschenberg ===
=== Mostly About Rauschenberg ===
Main article: [[Mostly About Rauschenberg]]
Main article: {{RLink|Mostly}}
* Documentary filmed ~1973 co-directed by [[Christine Kozlov]] and [[Mayo Thompson]]
* Documentary filmed ~1973 co-directed by [[Christine Kozlov]] and [[Mayo Thompson]]
* Status: Screened but unreleased, clip released  
Status: Screened but unreleased, clip released  


== 1980s ==
== 1980s ==
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=== Music video ===
=== Music video ===
* "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing ''Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock'' in the exhibition ''Art in Europe since 1968'' [Kunst in Europa na 68]."<ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref>
* "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing ''Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock'' in the exhibition ''Art in Europe since 1968'' [Kunst in Europa na 68]."<ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref>
* Status: Unknown
Status: it's real
 
=== Monsters single ===
* Rumored by White Rose:
** "art & language exhibition (eindhoven, holland) 9-10 december 1980 - catalogue has photos from the zoran popovic "borba u new yorka" (struggle in new york) film; there are rumors of a 7" single "monsters" from that exhibition [kees van hulst]"
* Could be related to [[Monster One]] on [[Three Songs on a Trip to the United States / Bismarckstr. 50]]
* Status: Unknown


=== Ratman / Future Pilots ===
=== Ratman / Future Pilots ===
* "In April 1981 two new songs were recorded for future release in some form. These songs are ''[[Future Pilots]]'' and ''[[Ratman the Weightwatcher]]''."<ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref>
* Status: released but not as a single
* Status: Unreleased English version, released in German as [[Rattenmensch: Gewichtswächter / Zukunftsflieger]], rerecorded for [[Black Snakes]]


=== Retrospective release ===
=== Retrospective release ===
* "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." <ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref>
* "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." <ref>Kangaroo? booklet, [[Keep All Your Friends (zine)]]</ref>
* Status: Unreleased
Status: Unreleased


=== Victorine ===
=== Victorine ===
Main article: [[Victorine]]
Main article: [[Victorine]]
* Status: Unrecorded, was going to be videotaped live on German television
* Was going to be videotaped live on German television
Status: Unrecorded


=== Ludwig's Law ===
=== Ludwig's Law ===
Main article: [[Ludwig's Law]]
Main article: [[Ludwig's Law]]
* Recorded 1984
* Recorded 1984
* Status: Released in 1998
Status: Released in 1998


=== Baby and Child Care ===
=== Baby and Child Care ===
Main article: [[Baby and Child Care]]
Main article: [[Baby and Child Care]]
* Recorded in 1984
* Recorded in 1984
* Status: Released in 2016 by [[Drag City]]
Status: Released in 2016 by [[Drag City]]


=== Disco Death ===
=== Disco Death ===
* 1986 recording session
* 1986 recording session
* Status: Released in part in 1989 as [[Malefactor, Ade]]
Status: Released in part in 1989 as [[Malefactor, Ade]]


== 1990s ==
== 1990s ==
=== Berlin 2000 Olympic anthem ===
Main article: [[All Together Now]]
* "Michael Schirner and Wolf. D. Rogosky developed a concept for the development of Berlin into an Olympic city and European metropolis. They outlined visions and projects for a new Berlin as the capital of media, business, art, culture, scene, film, sports, youth, etc. Mayo Thompson, musician and artist of the Art & Language group, composed the Olympic anthem “All together now” with lyrics by Diedrich Diederichsen."<ref>http://www.michaelschirner.de/de/nolympia/</ref>
Status: Unknown, likely unrecorded
=== 1993 demo tape ===
* Demo tape that [[David Grubbs]] shared with [[Drag City]] that resulted in the band being signed
* Six songs?
Status: Unreleased


=== The Letter / Psychology ===
=== The Letter / Psychology ===
* 7" listed in this 1995 discography: http://www.le-musterkoffer.de/alpha/thompson06.html
* 7" listed in this 1995 discography: http://www.le-musterkoffer.de/alpha/thompson06.html
* Status: Likely expanded into [[Amor and Language]]
Status: Likely expanded into [[Amor and Language]]


=== The Red Krayola T-Shirt ===
=== The Red Krayola T-Shirt ===
* Mentioned on the label for [[Chemistry / Farewell to Arms]]: "DC22 The Red Krayola T-Shirt (1995)"
* Mentioned on the label for [[Chemistry / Farewell to Arms]]: "DC22 The Red Krayola T-Shirt (1995)"
* Status: Unknown
Status: Unknown


== 2000s ==
== 2000s ==
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Main article: [[Shotgun Wedding]]
Main article: [[Shotgun Wedding]]
* Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose)
* Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose)
* Status: Released in part in 2009 as Shotgun Wedding
Status: Released in part in 2009 as Shotgun Wedding


=== The Red Krayola Documentary ===
=== The Red Krayola Documentary ===
Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary)
Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary)
* Status: Unfinished, clip released
* Documentary
Status: Unfinished, clip released
 
=== That Dogma Won't Hunt ===
* "We’re working on a song called That Dogma Won’t Hunt, a reply to Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper, the other day, came across and he said that all these anti-Bush bands were treasonous morons. And I mean, the moron part, that’s debatable, he said they were not traitors to the country but traitors to Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll has nothing to do with politics. School’s Out has nothing to do with politics? I mean he’s biting his own ass when he says that, I think. So anyway, when somebody tells me that Rock and Roll is this, that or the other thing, I say, that dogma won’t hunt, you know what I mean? It just won’t. So that’s the kind of thing it is. I think singles are a really good thing, because you can get into a dialogue with things like- Yik Yak, which was aimed at Patti Smith and Judas Priest. I mean he’s like, Ya’ll think that Rock and Roll is the art form of the present. Well, that’s nice."<ref>https://fnewsmagazine.com/2005/04/dead-letters-to-lost-worlds/</ref>
* Status: unreleased


=== Victorine ===
=== Victorine ===
* Was worked on around same time as [[Sighs Trapped By Liars]]
* Was worked on around same time as [[Sighs Trapped By Liars]]
* Status: Unreleased, unknown if recorded
Status: Unreleased, unknown if recorded


== 2010s ==
== 2010s ==
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Main article: [[Born in Flames II / Sword of God II]]
Main article: [[Born in Flames II / Sword of God II]]
* Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled
* Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled
* Status: Unrecorded
Status: Unrecorded
 
== References ==

Latest revision as of 08:33, 3 March 2023

1960s

Film with Barthelme

  • Likely 1966
  • Frederick Barthelme: "So there we were in the Red Krayola [...] a name that had come to us while trailing down Main Street in my roofless [...] blue Fiat, shooting 16mm film for a movie we were making at the time (because, before we were a band we were filmmakers, you see). I do not remember what the movie was called; I do not know what became of the evidence. It had burned film, hand-tinted frames, stop-action stuff, cartoons, action scenes, recreations of Godard and Truffaut and much more. It was an amalgam. We had seen Cleo from 5 to 7 and dozens of other fine films, and we were 16mm. There was talk of an Eclair, the camera, not the pastry."[1]
  • Mayo Thompson: "I had been making movies when I met [Barthelme], I had a 16-millimeter Bolex and I was making movies, and I asked him to be my star and he said he would, so he was my star. So I filmed, we filmed, something like that. We had a 500-foot roll of film and we had maybe 400 feet of it full already and we were getting ready—we had more coming. But when I came back from Europe I said, “Dude, the way forward, I think, is to start a band.” I’d already done a few folk house gigs, coffeehouse gigs, sung a couple of songs, done one thing on the radio, and he said, “No, you should do that on your own.” I said, “Listen, I’m not doing anything on my own. Forget it. I know what I can do on my own, that’s really not very interesting. Could we please do this together?” And so he agreed and we then destroyed the film that we had made. We drove in his car and I had reeled it out of the window and it just disappeared behind us; a cavalier relation to hundreds of dollars of production, much of it paid for by my wonderful, delightful, supportive, ever-supportive mother, and so on and so on and so on."[2]

Status: Lost, unfinished

Dairymaid's Lament single

Main article: Dairymaid's Lament

  • Recorded February 1967(?) for International Artists (White Rose says 1966) with unknown instrumental B-side

Status: Unreleased, unknown if lost

Coconut Hotel

Main article: Coconut Hotel

Status: Released in 1995 by Drag City

Album with John Fahey

Main article: Lost album with John Fahey

  • Recorded in 1967

Status: Lost

Mother's Milk

  • Demos for Johndavid Bartlett album produced by Mayo Thompson[3] for International Artists. 11 tracks recorded in 1.5 hrs

Status: Unreleased, likely lost

Opera for Five

Main article: Opera for Five

  • Unproduced opera by Manos Hadjidakis. He intended for the Red Krayola to be the backing band whilst Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane sang lead vocals

Status: Unrecorded

1970s

Mayo Thompson single

Status: Instrumental B-side Woof released by Drag City

The Rockin' Blue Diamonds album

Main article: The Rockin' Blue Diamonds

  • Demo recorded for John Fahey's Takoma label, likely 1972

Status: Unreleased demo, unknown if lost

Album with Manos Hadjidakis

  • Album that was planned to be recorded in Greece in summer 1973

Status: Unrecorded

Mostly About Rauschenberg

Main article: Mostly About Rauschenberg

Status: Screened but unreleased, clip released

1980s

Music video

  • "In June [1980] the band recorded a video-tape, miming and acting out the songs in Ghent with a Belgian T.V. crew. This was at the invitation of A & L who were showing Picasso's Guernica in the Style of Jackson Pollock in the exhibition Art in Europe since 1968 [Kunst in Europa na 68]."[4]

Status: it's real

Ratman / Future Pilots

  • Status: released but not as a single

Retrospective release

  • "And there is still a plan to cobble together a retrospective LP as soon as possible—but it's hard to say when." [5]

Status: Unreleased

Victorine

Main article: Victorine

  • Was going to be videotaped live on German television

Status: Unrecorded

Ludwig's Law

Main article: Ludwig's Law

  • Recorded 1984

Status: Released in 1998

Baby and Child Care

Main article: Baby and Child Care

  • Recorded in 1984

Status: Released in 2016 by Drag City

Disco Death

  • 1986 recording session

Status: Released in part in 1989 as Malefactor, Ade

1990s

Berlin 2000 Olympic anthem

Main article: All Together Now

  • "Michael Schirner and Wolf. D. Rogosky developed a concept for the development of Berlin into an Olympic city and European metropolis. They outlined visions and projects for a new Berlin as the capital of media, business, art, culture, scene, film, sports, youth, etc. Mayo Thompson, musician and artist of the Art & Language group, composed the Olympic anthem “All together now” with lyrics by Diedrich Diederichsen."[6]

Status: Unknown, likely unrecorded

1993 demo tape

Status: Unreleased

The Letter / Psychology

Status: Likely expanded into Amor and Language

The Red Krayola T-Shirt

Status: Unknown

2000s

Shotgun Wedding

Main article: Shotgun Wedding

  • Recorded 2003 in Berlin, at some point was going to be released as multiple solo albums (source: White Rose)

Status: Released in part in 2009 as Shotgun Wedding

The Red Krayola Documentary

Main article: God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It (documentary)

  • Documentary

Status: Unfinished, clip released

That Dogma Won't Hunt

  • "We’re working on a song called That Dogma Won’t Hunt, a reply to Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper, the other day, came across and he said that all these anti-Bush bands were treasonous morons. And I mean, the moron part, that’s debatable, he said they were not traitors to the country but traitors to Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll has nothing to do with politics. School’s Out has nothing to do with politics? I mean he’s biting his own ass when he says that, I think. So anyway, when somebody tells me that Rock and Roll is this, that or the other thing, I say, that dogma won’t hunt, you know what I mean? It just won’t. So that’s the kind of thing it is. I think singles are a really good thing, because you can get into a dialogue with things like- Yik Yak, which was aimed at Patti Smith and Judas Priest. I mean he’s like, Ya’ll think that Rock and Roll is the art form of the present. Well, that’s nice."[7]
  • Status: unreleased

Victorine

Status: Unreleased, unknown if recorded

2010s

Cooking in The Kitchen

  • 50th anniversary concert planned for Nov 2016[8]
    • November 4 at 8pm the group perform the New York premiere of a new arrangement of Corrected Slogans (1976), their first collaboration with Art & Language.
    • November 5 at 8pm the band present a NYC jamboree (Cooking in The Kitchen), a survey of 50 years of their music with the Familiar Ugly.

Born in Flames II / Sword of God II

Main article: Born in Flames II / Sword of God II

  • Planned to be recorded live in 2017, dates were cancelled

Status: Unrecorded

References

  1. ↑ https://www.frederickbarthelme.com/nonfiction/the-red-crayola/
  2. ↑ Robert Rauschenberg Oral History Project: The Reminiscences of Mayo Thompson (2016)
  3. ↑ God Bless 2011 booklet
  4. ↑ Kangaroo? booklet, Keep All Your Friends (zine)
  5. ↑ Kangaroo? booklet, Keep All Your Friends (zine)
  6. ↑ http://www.michaelschirner.de/de/nolympia/
  7. ↑ https://fnewsmagazine.com/2005/04/dead-letters-to-lost-worlds/
  8. ↑ https://thekitchen.org/event/the-red-krayola
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